Going to give you a demonstration, now, of Straightwire. This is Straightwire against a psychogalvanometer.

Going to give you a demonstration, now, of Straightwire. This is Straightwire against a psychogalvanometer.

You understand that this Straightwire could be administered on a sort of a gunshotl basis just into one life, simply by taking the Chart of Attitudes and asking the preclear every time he has had this attitude toward somebody else in an effort to inhibit them or to enforce them to do something. You understand that that would comprise Straightwire, and is a complete Straightwire in itself.

You understand that this Straightwire could be administered on a sort of a gunshotl basis just into one life, simply by taking the Chart of Attitudes and asking the preclear every time he has had this attitude toward somebody else in an effort to inhibit them or to enforce them to do something. You understand that that would comprise Straightwire, and is a complete Straightwire in itself.

Or you could take the Chart of Attitudes and ask the preclear to run or remember a time - and every time - that he had received this counter-attitude to something he wanted to do.

Or you could take the Chart of Attitudes and ask the preclear to run or remember a time - and every time - that he had received this counter-attitude to something he wanted to do.

Or you could take both of these together and that would be actually a very broad processing.

Or you could take both of these together and that would be actually a very broad processing.

Or you could take the entire Handbook for Preclears from beginning to end - with the overt act added to it - and you would have a very complete process on just Straightwire,

Or you could take the entire Handbook for Preclears from beginning to end - with the overt act added to it - and you would have a very complete process on just Straightwire,

All right. I've handed the preclear the cans. Going to turn on this machine and turn it up here to a point where we get reading on the needle. And I've turned the sensitivity increase up to horizontal. The machine is warmed up. And we have the machine set now with the sensitivity increase at about 8:30 with the tone handle clear down to 1.5, with the range expander at 0.5, which is all the way off, practically. And we're going to ask this preclear some questions, now, against the machine.

All right. I've handed the preclear the cans. Going to turn on this machine and turn it up here to a point where we get reading on the needle. And I've turned the sensitivity increase up to horizontal. The machine is warmed up. And we have the machine set now with the sensitivity increase at about 8:30 with the tone handle clear down to 1.5, with the range expander at 0.5, which is all the way off, practically. And we're going to ask this preclear some questions, now, against the machine.

Now, this is a process of Straightwire which would be an effort to find the principal maybe in a person's life which, if sprung, would make him come up the Tone Scale a bit.

Now, this is a process of Straightwire which would be an effort to find the principal maybe in a person's life which, if sprung, would make him come up the Tone Scale a bit.

[Note: During this auditing demonstration, a commentator provides additional information regarding the preclear's reactions on the E-Meter.]

[Note: During this auditing demonstration, a commentator provides additional information regarding the preclear's reactions on the E-Meter.]

LRH: All right. Have you ever been indecisive about women?

LRH: All right. Have you ever been indecisive about women?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

Commentator: Dropping two points.

Commentator: Dropping two points.

LRH: Particularly indecisive! What woman comes up as the one you were most indecisive about?

LRH: Particularly indecisive! What woman comes up as the one you were most indecisive about?

PC: Seems to me my sister.

PC: Seems to me my sister.

LRH: Your sister.

LRH: Your sister.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Was it wondering whether she liked you or didn't like you?

LRH: Was it wondering whether she liked you or didn't like you?

Commentator: Needle is euauering back and forth one point.

Commentator: Needle is euauering back and forth one point.

PC: No, I knew she didn't.

PC: No, I knew she didn't.

LRH: She didn't like you.

LRH: She didn't like you.

PC: At times.

PC: At times.

LRH: All right, how about being forbidden to hit your sister?

LRH: All right, how about being forbidden to hit your sister?

PC: Uh, understood.

PC: Uh, understood.

LRH: That was just understood. Is it your sister we're looking for here?

LRH: That was just understood. Is it your sister we're looking for here?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: How about your mother as being the most indecisive woman?

LRH: How about your mother as being the most indecisive woman?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Very indecisive?

LRH: Very indecisive?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Did you have a grandmother?

LRH: Did you have a grandmother?

PC: Yes, two

PC: Yes, two

LRH: Well, two grandmothers? We'll call them grandmother maternal - was grandmother maternal the one you were most indecisive about?

LRH: Well, two grandmothers? We'll call them grandmother maternal - was grandmother maternal the one you were most indecisive about?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: How about grandmother paternal?

LRH: How about grandmother paternal?

PC: I don't know or remember her very well.

PC: I don't know or remember her very well.

LRH: You're very indecisive about her?

LRH: You're very indecisive about her?

PC: No, I think not.

PC: No, I think not.

LRH: How about your first girlfriend? Is she the one you were indecisive about?

LRH: How about your first girlfriend? Is she the one you were indecisive about?

PC: Her, too.

PC: Her, too.

LRH: Her, too. It's just indecisive about women in general here?

LRH: Her, too. It's just indecisive about women in general here?

PC: I belieue.

PC: I belieue.

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: Uh-huh.

Commentator: Drop of three points on that question.

Commentator: Drop of three points on that question.

LRH: Well, now, let's go off onto the other dynamics. How about being indecisive about yourself?

LRH: Well, now, let's go off onto the other dynamics. How about being indecisive about yourself?

PC: Mostly.

PC: Mostly.

Commentator: One-point, two-point drop.

Commentator: One-point, two-point drop.

LRH: And what period of your life were you most indecisive?

LRH: And what period of your life were you most indecisive?

PC: About when I was - eighth or ninth grade.

PC: About when I was - eighth or ninth grade.

LRH: Eighth or ninth grade. Something bad happen to you that - so on?

LRH: Eighth or ninth grade. Something bad happen to you that - so on?

PC: I thought so at the time.

PC: I thought so at the time.

LRH: Yeah, now we're getting a little bit more needle reaction. Had to do with a girl?

LRH: Yeah, now we're getting a little bit more needle reaction. Had to do with a girl?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Had to do with your studies?

LRH: Had to do with your studies?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Parental relationship with you?

LRH: Parental relationship with you?

PC: No, not the one I was thinking of.

PC: No, not the one I was thinking of.

LRH: Well, what is the incident you're thinking of?

LRH: Well, what is the incident you're thinking of?

PC: A homosexual contact.

PC: A homosexual contact.

LRH: Oh, I see. Some other guy?

LRH: Oh, I see. Some other guy?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah, Older than you?

LRH: Yeah, Older than you?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Uh-huh. And how did this make you feel about yourself? What did this do? Something to your pride?

LRH: Uh-huh. And how did this make you feel about yourself? What did this do? Something to your pride?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm,

LRH: Mm-hm,

Commentator: Rising two points.

Commentator: Rising two points.

LRH: Is this whole thing located around indecisiveness about whether or not you were any good or not?

LRH: Is this whole thing located around indecisiveness about whether or not you were any good or not?

PC: Don't know.

PC: Don't know.

LRH: You don't know.

LRH: You don't know.

Commentator: One-point fluctuation, two points. A drop in tone.

Commentator: One-point fluctuation, two points. A drop in tone.

LRH: Is it located around whether or not men are any good or not?

LRH: Is it located around whether or not men are any good or not?

PC: There are one or two.

PC: There are one or two.

LRH: Yeah, If I asked this question bluntly, "Should you be proud of yourself?" what would you answer?

LRH: Yeah, If I asked this question bluntly, "Should you be proud of yourself?" what would you answer?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: You shouldn't be proud of yourself.

LRH: You shouldn't be proud of yourself.

Commentator: One-point fluctuation.

Commentator: One-point fluctuation.

LRH: Is this computation we're looking for before the age of fifteen?

LRH: Is this computation we're looking for before the age of fifteen?

PC: I thought no.

PC: I thought no.

LRH: After the age of fifteen?

LRH: After the age of fifteen?

PC: I think yes.

PC: I think yes.

LRH: Uh-huh, Is this break of personal pride with yourself later than when you were fifteen?

LRH: Uh-huh, Is this break of personal pride with yourself later than when you were fifteen?

PC: I didn't get a response.

PC: I didn't get a response.

LRH: Uh-huh. When you were sixteen?

LRH: Uh-huh. When you were sixteen?

Commentator: Tone dropped about two points.

Commentator: Tone dropped about two points.

PC: I didn't get anything.

PC: I didn't get anything.

LRH: When you were seventeen? Break of confidence in yourself?

LRH: When you were seventeen? Break of confidence in yourself?

PC: It seemed to be continuous.

PC: It seemed to be continuous.

LRH: Continuous, right straight through that period. When did it start? When you were fifteen, or sixteen?

LRH: Continuous, right straight through that period. When did it start? When you were fifteen, or sixteen?

PC: I don't know

PC: I don't know

LRH: Sixteen?

LRH: Sixteen?

PC: Maybe.

PC: Maybe.

LRH: Seventeen?

LRH: Seventeen?

PC: No, I-I get that it was earlier.

PC: No, I-I get that it was earlier.

LRH: Was it this incident we were talking about in high school?

LRH: Was it this incident we were talking about in high school?

PC: I think it is.

PC: I think it is.

LRH: You think that's it?

LRH: You think that's it?

Commentator: One-point fluctuation on "sixteen" and on this last question.

Commentator: One-point fluctuation on "sixteen" and on this last question.

LRH: Uh-huh. When did you do something so bad that you felt you couldn't trust yourself to act freely anymore?

LRH: Uh-huh. When did you do something so bad that you felt you couldn't trust yourself to act freely anymore?

PC: There seemed to be something else there ...

PC: There seemed to be something else there ...

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: ... till I jumped to - wanted to tell you the other thing was there.

PC: ... till I jumped to - wanted to tell you the other thing was there.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I don't know what the other one was.

PC: I don't know what the other one was.

LRH: Now, you know what it is.

LRH: Now, you know what it is.

PC: Yeah, I suppose I do.

PC: Yeah, I suppose I do.

LRH: Sure. What does it have to do with - women? Men?

LRH: Sure. What does it have to do with - women? Men?

PC: I got the idea of women.

PC: I got the idea of women.

LRH: Did you do something to a woman?

LRH: Did you do something to a woman?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

Commentator: Tone has risen now two points.

Commentator: Tone has risen now two points.

LRH: Your mother?

LRH: Your mother?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: Uh-huh.

Commentator: And fluctuating on up the scale further.

Commentator: And fluctuating on up the scale further.

LRH: What did you do to her?

LRH: What did you do to her?

PC: Oh, I think it was, I made her make me some pancakes and she didn't want to, and she cried.

PC: Oh, I think it was, I made her make me some pancakes and she didn't want to, and she cried.

LRH: I'll be a son of a gun. (audience chuckles)

LRH: I'll be a son of a gun. (audience chuckles)

Commentator: Tone dropped four points - two more points.

Commentator: Tone dropped four points - two more points.

PC: She was very unhappy about it. I was too.

PC: She was very unhappy about it. I was too.

LRH: Very unhappy about it. That's trying to force women to do something?

LRH: Very unhappy about it. That's trying to force women to do something?

PC: Yeah. Yeah.

PC: Yeah. Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. How'd you feel afterwards about forcing women to do things?

LRH: Mm-hm. How'd you feel afterwards about forcing women to do things?

PC: It didn't pay off.

PC: It didn't pay off.

LRH: Didn't pay off. Have you forced a woman since to do anything?

LRH: Didn't pay off. Have you forced a woman since to do anything?

PC: You know I can't recall.

PC: You know I can't recall.

LRH: You can't recall forcing anybody to do anything since. (laugh)

LRH: You can't recall forcing anybody to do anything since. (laugh)

Commentator: Needle is remaining stationary.

Commentator: Needle is remaining stationary.

LRH: Well, this doesn't put you in very good control of women, does it?

LRH: Well, this doesn't put you in very good control of women, does it?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Would you say that women were within your control sphere?

LRH: Would you say that women were within your control sphere?

PC: I - I wanted to say I think it's up to them.

PC: I - I wanted to say I think it's up to them.

LRH: Uh-huh. Well, tell me, was this incident with the boy an offense against women?

LRH: Uh-huh. Well, tell me, was this incident with the boy an offense against women?

PC: Yeah. Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah. Mm-hm.

Commentator: One-Point rise and then two-point rise.

Commentator: One-Point rise and then two-point rise.

LRH: When did this pancake incident happen, after that or before it?

LRH: When did this pancake incident happen, after that or before it?

PC: Oh no when I euas very young.

PC: Oh no when I euas very young.

LRH: Very young. But you do remember your mother breaking down and crying when you forced her to make some pancakes?

LRH: Very young. But you do remember your mother breaking down and crying when you forced her to make some pancakes?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Have you thought about this before?

LRH: Have you thought about this before?

PC: Yes, I have.

PC: Yes, I have.

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: I've run across it in sessions.

PC: I've run across it in sessions.

LRH: Well, why'd you force her?

LRH: Well, why'd you force her?

PC: I never have figured that out.

PC: I never have figured that out.

LRH: To make the pancakes?

LRH: To make the pancakes?

PC: I think that I just liked pancakes, and I wanted to have some pancakes. I was hungry.

PC: I think that I just liked pancakes, and I wanted to have some pancakes. I was hungry.

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: Uh-huh.

Commentator: Needle is remaining stationary.

Commentator: Needle is remaining stationary.

LRH: And your mother objected to this?

LRH: And your mother objected to this?

PC: Yeah, she was ironing.

PC: Yeah, she was ironing.

Commentator: And moving up the dial.

Commentator: And moving up the dial.

LRH: Mm-hm. And she actually cried?

LRH: Mm-hm. And she actually cried?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Have you ever run this?

LRH: Have you ever run this?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: What happens to it?

LRH: What happens to it?

PC: I don't know; nothing particularly. I know about it.

PC: I don't know; nothing particularly. I know about it.

LRH: Uh-huh. Has this got anything to do with breast-feeding?

LRH: Uh-huh. Has this got anything to do with breast-feeding?

PC: I thought yes.

PC: I thought yes.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: One-point needle and fluctuating.

Commentator: One-point needle and fluctuating.

LRH: She ever push you away?

LRH: She ever push you away?

PC: I think no.

PC: I think no.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Dropping two points.

Commentator: Dropping two points.

LRH: Let's see if you can get a straight recall on that. Now, you can remember that.

LRH: Let's see if you can get a straight recall on that. Now, you can remember that.

PC: I think I can. I remember once in ...

PC: I think I can. I remember once in ...

LRH: Your mother feeding you. Your mother feeding you.

LRH: Your mother feeding you. Your mother feeding you.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

LRH: Overt act on your part because your mother had to feed you?

LRH: Overt act on your part because your mother had to feed you?

PC: I don't know Ron.

PC: I don't know Ron.

LRH: What have you got? Is there an overt act on your part because mother had to feed you?

LRH: What have you got? Is there an overt act on your part because mother had to feed you?

PC: This I don't know. No.

PC: This I don't know. No.

LRH: Is she the kind of a person that would have said so?

LRH: Is she the kind of a person that would have said so?

PC: Maybe.

PC: Maybe.

LRH: Mm-hm. Would she have had to have stayed home to feed you?

LRH: Mm-hm. Would she have had to have stayed home to feed you?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: No?

LRH: No?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Were you bottle-fed exclusively? You know.

LRH: Were you bottle-fed exclusively? You know.

PC: Yeah. No, I wasn't exclusively bottle-fed.

PC: Yeah. No, I wasn't exclusively bottle-fed.

LRH: Not exclusively.

LRH: Not exclusively.

PC: No, but I had trouble with it.

PC: No, but I had trouble with it.

LRH: Can you remember a time when she made - somebody seemed to make fun of you on this or got upset about this?

LRH: Can you remember a time when she made - somebody seemed to make fun of you on this or got upset about this?

Commentator: Tone now dropping two points.

Commentator: Tone now dropping two points.

PC: No, but I remember them - I remember knowing that I had trouble keeping food in my stomach and I was a lot of trouble to her.

PC: No, but I remember them - I remember knowing that I had trouble keeping food in my stomach and I was a lot of trouble to her.

LRH: Uh-huh. That was a lot of trouble?

LRH: Uh-huh. That was a lot of trouble?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, was that being fed by mother?

LRH: Well, was that being fed by mother?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Was your mother upset during a very, very early period of your life?

LRH: Was your mother upset during a very, very early period of your life?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Emotionally upset because of domestic affairs?

LRH: Emotionally upset because of domestic affairs?

Commentator: A tone rise now of two Points.

Commentator: A tone rise now of two Points.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Do you recall offhand, now, suddenly - look, I'11 give you one - an incident. Do you have a picture of such an incident?

LRH: Mm-hm. Do you recall offhand, now, suddenly - look, I'11 give you one - an incident. Do you have a picture of such an incident?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You got a little picture of it?

LRH: You got a little picture of it?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is it a little still picture?

LRH: Is it a little still picture?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How about scanning regret across this picture? Just scan the feeling of regret across that picture a few times.

LRH: How about scanning regret across this picture? Just scan the feeling of regret across that picture a few times.

Commentator: As the preclear scans regret the needle has dropped three points.

Commentator: As the preclear scans regret the needle has dropped three points.

LRH: Get the feeling of regret across the picture a few times.

LRH: Get the feeling of regret across the picture a few times.

Commentator: Now rising one point, two points.

Commentator: Now rising one point, two points.

LRH: What's it a picture of, by the way?

LRH: What's it a picture of, by the way?

PC: Dad and Mom fighting.

PC: Dad and Mom fighting.

LRH: Oh.

LRH: Oh.

Commentator: Two points up.

Commentator: Two points up.

LRH: How old do you think you were when that happened?

LRH: How old do you think you were when that happened?

PC: I could walk.

PC: I could walk.

LRH: You could walk. Have anything to do with feeding you? Have anything to do with feeding your father?

LRH: You could walk. Have anything to do with feeding you? Have anything to do with feeding your father?

PC: Money.

PC: Money.

LRH: Money. Does that have to do with food?

LRH: Money. Does that have to do with food?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Food and money identified?

LRH: Food and money identified?

PC: (laugh) That's...

PC: (laugh) That's...

LRH: Huh?

LRH: Huh?

PC: Oh, yeah.

PC: Oh, yeah.

LRH: Okay, let's scan some more regret across that picture until you get a fuller view of all that.

LRH: Okay, let's scan some more regret across that picture until you get a fuller view of all that.

Commentator: Tone has moved up to four points again, five points. Coming up two points.

Commentator: Tone has moved up to four points again, five points. Coming up two points.

LRH: How did you cause this?

LRH: How did you cause this?

PC: Probably just think...

PC: Probably just think...

LRH: Huh? (pause) Why did you blame yourself for this fight?

LRH: Huh? (pause) Why did you blame yourself for this fight?

Commentator: Needle up two points.

Commentator: Needle up two points.

PC: You've got me now.

PC: You've got me now.

LRH: Did you? Did you blame yourself for this fight?

LRH: Did you? Did you blame yourself for this fight?

PC: I don't know. I don't know.

PC: I don't know. I don't know.

LRH: You got a picture, haven't you?

LRH: You got a picture, haven't you?

PC: Yeah. Yeah, I've got one.

PC: Yeah. Yeah, I've got one.

LRH: It says "blame yourself" - still picture. All right, let's clip it again. Let's clip it again. Here he is able to walk, just barely able to walk and blaming himself for a domestic upset. Did you cost too much money coming into the world?

LRH: It says "blame yourself" - still picture. All right, let's clip it again. Let's clip it again. Here he is able to walk, just barely able to walk and blaming himself for a domestic upset. Did you cost too much money coming into the world?

PC: (laugh)

PC: (laugh)

Commentator: Tone has dropped three points on that question.

Commentator: Tone has dropped three points on that question.

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

Commentator: Come up two three points again - fluctuating now.

Commentator: Come up two three points again - fluctuating now.

LRH: That have something to do with the fight?

LRH: That have something to do with the fight?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

Commentator: Tone dropped on that question two points.

Commentator: Tone dropped on that question two points.

LRH: Does your father like you?

LRH: Does your father like you?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: No.

LRH: No.

PC: I think now he does.

PC: I think now he does.

LRH: Does your mother have to defend you against your father?

LRH: Does your mother have to defend you against your father?

Commentator: Tone rise, two points.

Commentator: Tone rise, two points.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Does she really?

LRH: Does she really?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Do you know this now?

LRH: Do you know this now?

PC: I think so.

PC: I think so.

LRH: Scan some more regret across that picture.

LRH: Scan some more regret across that picture.

Commentator: Needle fluctuating, rising two points as the preclear scans.

Commentator: Needle fluctuating, rising two points as the preclear scans.

PC: I - i can't rightly hold on to that.

PC: I - i can't rightly hold on to that.

LRH: It's going?

LRH: It's going?

PC: I'm sorry?

PC: I'm sorry?

LRH: Okay. (laughter) Okay. Now, when were you unable to control some MEST? That is to say, control some matter, energy, space or time?

LRH: Okay. (laughter) Okay. Now, when were you unable to control some MEST? That is to say, control some matter, energy, space or time?

PC: Car spun on an icy pauement.

PC: Car spun on an icy pauement.

LRH: Oh, a car spun?

LRH: Oh, a car spun?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Who got hurt?

LRH: Who got hurt?

PC: No one.

PC: No one.

LRH: What got hurt?

LRH: What got hurt?

Commentator: Tone drop - has risen two points.

Commentator: Tone drop - has risen two points.

PC: Oh, nothing much; I just got excited.

PC: Oh, nothing much; I just got excited.

LRH: The car get hurt?

LRH: The car get hurt?

PC: Mm, bumped its - its wheels against the curb a little.

PC: Mm, bumped its - its wheels against the curb a little.

LRH: Who blamed?

LRH: Who blamed?

PC: I - I was blamed.

PC: I - I was blamed.

Commentator: A tone drop of ten points.

Commentator: A tone drop of ten points.

LRH: You blamed yourself?

LRH: You blamed yourself?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You did, huh?

LRH: You did, huh?

PC: I think I did then, yeah.

PC: I think I did then, yeah.

LRH: Sure. Who had cautioned you not to drive fast?

LRH: Sure. Who had cautioned you not to drive fast?

PC: Well, Mom and Dad.

PC: Well, Mom and Dad.

LRH: Is this an overt act against them that you spun the car?

LRH: Is this an overt act against them that you spun the car?

PC: I hadn't thought of it that way.

PC: I hadn't thought of it that way.

LRH: Or an overt act against the car?

LRH: Or an overt act against the car?

PC: Might be.

PC: Might be.

LRH: Or just a demonstration making you realize that you couldn't handle the MEST universe?

LRH: Or just a demonstration making you realize that you couldn't handle the MEST universe?

Commentator: Needle now rising two points; fluctuating on a two-goint rise.

Commentator: Needle now rising two points; fluctuating on a two-goint rise.

PC: More that.

PC: More that.

LRH: Oh, you got that?

LRH: Oh, you got that?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now, where in that incident did you suddenly recognize this?

LRH: Now, where in that incident did you suddenly recognize this?

PC: Well, when I realized I - when I realized I couldn't steer or stop the car of going from the course it wanted to go - it was going.

PC: Well, when I realized I - when I realized I couldn't steer or stop the car of going from the course it wanted to go - it was going.

LRH: Do you remember the moment you thought this?

LRH: Do you remember the moment you thought this?

PC: I think I do.

PC: I think I do.

LRH: Uh-huh. Where in the moment did you try to make it unreal?

LRH: Uh-huh. Where in the moment did you try to make it unreal?

PC: I think it was after I - I realized there was nothing I could do about it.

PC: I think it was after I - I realized there was nothing I could do about it.

LRH: Uh-huh. So then you wished it out of existence.

LRH: Uh-huh. So then you wished it out of existence.

PC: (laugh)

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Okay, now let's recall the moment you realized you weren't handling it.

LRH: Okay, now let's recall the moment you realized you weren't handling it.

Commentator: Tone rise of about three points.

Commentator: Tone rise of about three points.

PC: Well, yeah.

PC: Well, yeah.

LRH: Got that again? Got it more clearly now?

LRH: Got that again? Got it more clearly now?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good. Who'd you withhold the information from?

LRH: Good. Who'd you withhold the information from?

PC: Me, I guess. What do you mean?

PC: Me, I guess. What do you mean?

LRH: Well, did you try not to tell your mother and father about it?

LRH: Well, did you try not to tell your mother and father about it?

PC: My mother was in the car with me.

PC: My mother was in the car with me.

LRH: Oh, she was?

LRH: Oh, she was?

Commentator: Tone drop of three points.

Commentator: Tone drop of three points.

LRH: Where is the thought there that she's going to be hurt?

LRH: Where is the thought there that she's going to be hurt?

PC: Well, almost immediately as - as I realized we were out of control and I...

PC: Well, almost immediately as - as I realized we were out of control and I...

LRH: Overt act against women? (pause) Is it?

LRH: Overt act against women? (pause) Is it?

PC: Well, I don't think I had time to think all that.

PC: Well, I don't think I had time to think all that.

LRH: Oh, you don't think so. Well, when did you realize that your mother was there and she might have been hurt?

LRH: Oh, you don't think so. Well, when did you realize that your mother was there and she might have been hurt?

PC: I knew it all the time.

PC: I knew it all the time.

LRH: You knew it all the time.

LRH: You knew it all the time.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: When you started to drive the car...

LRH: When you started to drive the car...

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... you thought she might be hurt. Is that right?

LRH: ... you thought she might be hurt. Is that right?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Boy!

LRH: Boy!

PC: I know. Yeah.

PC: I know. Yeah.

LRH: Do you feel this way around women a lot?

LRH: Do you feel this way around women a lot?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How about when you touch women?

LRH: How about when you touch women?

PC: Shouldn't do that.

PC: Shouldn't do that.

LRH: You shouldn't do that? They're liable to be hurt?

LRH: You shouldn't do that? They're liable to be hurt?

PC: Maybe.

PC: Maybe.

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation, drop in tone.

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation, drop in tone.

LRH: Is there a maybe of this magnitude: "Maybe I'm going to hurt or kill a woman"?

LRH: Is there a maybe of this magnitude: "Maybe I'm going to hurt or kill a woman"?

PC: I'm never conscious of it.

PC: I'm never conscious of it.

LRH: Well, let's look at that as sort of a broad maybe: "Maybe I'm going to kill a woman."

LRH: Well, let's look at that as sort of a broad maybe: "Maybe I'm going to kill a woman."

Commentator: Needle fluctuates on this question.

Commentator: Needle fluctuates on this question.

LRH: What have you got?

LRH: What have you got?

PC: Maybe.

PC: Maybe.

LRH: "Maybe I'm going to hurt a woman."

LRH: "Maybe I'm going to hurt a woman."

PC: I have.

PC: I have.

LRH: When?

LRH: When?

PC: Lots of times.

PC: Lots of times.

LRH: Who?

LRH: Who?

PC: This girl I knew in ...

PC: This girl I knew in ...

LRH: Did you drown her or ...

LRH: Did you drown her or ...

Commentator: Two points.

Commentator: Two points.

PC: Not quite.

PC: Not quite.

LRH: We're talking about hurting a woman.

LRH: We're talking about hurting a woman.

PC: Well, she made me think I was hurting her.

PC: Well, she made me think I was hurting her.

LRH: Oh! Oh, her counter-thought was "You're going to hurt me."

LRH: Oh! Oh, her counter-thought was "You're going to hurt me."

PC: Uh-huh.

PC: Uh-huh.

LRH: When did she say, "You're going to kill me, you brute?" (laughter)

LRH: When did she say, "You're going to kill me, you brute?" (laughter)

Commentator: Needle is now losing three points.

Commentator: Needle is now losing three points.

PC: Well, she led me to know that if I wasn't doing things she - the way she liked it, that that was what was happening.

PC: Well, she led me to know that if I wasn't doing things she - the way she liked it, that that was what was happening.

LRH: Oh? Liable to kill her. She really put it that broadly?

LRH: Oh? Liable to kill her. She really put it that broadly?

Commentator: Tone has now dropped about five points.

Commentator: Tone has now dropped about five points.

PC: No. Not - not ...

PC: No. Not - not ...

LRH: Just "going to hurt me."

LRH: Just "going to hurt me."

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: She found out this was the way to really handle you.

LRH: She found out this was the way to really handle you.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is that right?

LRH: Is that right?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, how did you feel when she walked away from you finally?

LRH: Well, how did you feel when she walked away from you finally?

PC: Well, it didn't work out that way.

PC: Well, it didn't work out that way.

LRH: You walked away from her?

LRH: You walked away from her?

PC: Yeah. We both walked away from each other.

PC: Yeah. We both walked away from each other.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Tone rise now to four points.

Commentator: Tone rise now to four points.

LRH: Is this the way it was?

LRH: Is this the way it was?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. But who decided to break it up?

LRH: Yeah. But who decided to break it up?

PC: I think I did.

PC: I think I did.

Commentator: Tone rise, two points.

Commentator: Tone rise, two points.

LRH: You think you did.

LRH: You think you did.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Do you have to break it up because you're liable to really hurt them if you keep on with it?

LRH: Do you have to break it up because you're liable to really hurt them if you keep on with it?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

Commentator: A fluctuation of one point down on that.

Commentator: A fluctuation of one point down on that.

LRH: Gee. When's the first time you hurt a little girl in school?

LRH: Gee. When's the first time you hurt a little girl in school?

PC: (laugh)

PC: (laugh)

LRH: You got one, haven't you?

LRH: You got one, haven't you?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay.

LRH: Okay.

Commentator: Tone dropped four points.

Commentator: Tone dropped four points.

PC: I didn't hurt her, I kissed her.

PC: I didn't hurt her, I kissed her.

Commentator: Tone dropped five points.

Commentator: Tone dropped five points.

LRH: And what happened?

LRH: And what happened?

Commentator: Fluctuating in a five-point fluctuation and back doeun to original position.

Commentator: Fluctuating in a five-point fluctuation and back doeun to original position.

PC: Excuse me, but I'm a little bit embarrassed. Nothing much happened; I got teased about it.

PC: Excuse me, but I'm a little bit embarrassed. Nothing much happened; I got teased about it.

LRH: Oh, you got teased about it.

LRH: Oh, you got teased about it.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Tone now rising another three points.

Commentator: Tone now rising another three points.

LRH: Is this the first moment you realized it wasn't serious?

LRH: Is this the first moment you realized it wasn't serious?

PC: I guess.

PC: I guess.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

Commentator: Another four-point rise.

Commentator: Another four-point rise.

LRH: How about another girl? What about the girl you hit?

LRH: How about another girl? What about the girl you hit?

Commentator: Six-point rise.

Commentator: Six-point rise.

LRH: Did you ever hit a girl?

LRH: Did you ever hit a girl?

PC: Yeah. My sister, though I think I...

PC: Yeah. My sister, though I think I...

LRH: Hit her hard?

LRH: Hit her hard?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Did you ever try to strangle a girl?

LRH: Did you ever try to strangle a girl?

PC: Not one in this life that I know of.

PC: Not one in this life that I know of.

LRH: Well ...

LRH: Well ...

Commentator: One-point fluctuation on this question.

Commentator: One-point fluctuation on this question.

LRH: What did you think of?

LRH: What did you think of?

Commentator: Four-Point now.

Commentator: Four-Point now.

PC: Just then?

PC: Just then?

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: I was thinking of other lives.

PC: I was thinking of other lives.

LRH: Oh, you were thinking of other lives.

LRH: Oh, you were thinking of other lives.

PC: And then I remembered you said this is - this is on this life, and then I thought no.

PC: And then I remembered you said this is - this is on this life, and then I thought no.

LRH: No, you better not think of other lives. Well, can we clean up this life? I mean, can we just straightwire women and get it off on this life only?

LRH: No, you better not think of other lives. Well, can we clean up this life? I mean, can we just straightwire women and get it off on this life only?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, what's the incident we want?

LRH: Well, what's the incident we want?

Commentator: Tone now rising.

Commentator: Tone now rising.

LRH: The age of the incident we're looking for will flash. (snap)

LRH: The age of the incident we're looking for will flash. (snap)

Commentator: Needle dropping at three points.

Commentator: Needle dropping at three points.

LRH: What did you get?

LRH: What did you get?

PC: Before you got - I got eight, and then when you snapped I got ten. I don't know.

PC: Before you got - I got eight, and then when you snapped I got ten. I don't know.

LRH: Eight and ten? You do something to a girl when you were eight? Somebody tell you you were doing something to a girl when you were eight?

LRH: Eight and ten? You do something to a girl when you were eight? Somebody tell you you were doing something to a girl when you were eight?

Commentator: Needle fluctuating very slightly.

Commentator: Needle fluctuating very slightly.

PC: I didn't get any memory on that, so ...

PC: I didn't get any memory on that, so ...

LRH: Bad deal.

LRH: Bad deal.

Commentator: Dropping three points.

Commentator: Dropping three points.

PC: (mumble)

PC: (mumble)

LRH: What did you do?

LRH: What did you do?

PC: Probably pushed her off a cliff; I don't know. Wait a minute, uh ...

PC: Probably pushed her off a cliff; I don't know. Wait a minute, uh ...

LRH: Push her downstairs?

LRH: Push her downstairs?

PC: No. Momentarily I thought of a - a hole in the ground we dug, when I was eight or ten.

PC: No. Momentarily I thought of a - a hole in the ground we dug, when I was eight or ten.

LRH: You didn't push a girl in that?

LRH: You didn't push a girl in that?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: When did you stand around and think you might?

LRH: When did you stand around and think you might?

Commentator: Four-point fluctuation on this series of questions.

Commentator: Four-point fluctuation on this series of questions.

LRH: Did you insist it had to be filled back up?

LRH: Did you insist it had to be filled back up?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Who did?

LRH: Who did?

PC: I don't remember.

PC: I don't remember.

LRH: Did somebody tell you it had to be filled up right away because some girl was liable to be hurt?

LRH: Did somebody tell you it had to be filled up right away because some girl was liable to be hurt?

PC: Well, I wasn't responsible. I don't know. That could have happened, though.

PC: Well, I wasn't responsible. I don't know. That could have happened, though.

LRH: Could have happened. Wasn't particularly.

LRH: Could have happened. Wasn't particularly.

Commentator: Two-point drop and rise on this question.

Commentator: Two-point drop and rise on this question.

LRH: As far back as you can recall, you've been very sensitive about women.

LRH: As far back as you can recall, you've been very sensitive about women.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: One-point drop.

Commentator: One-point drop.

LRH: Well, you must have hurt one badly - just one - that you can remember?

LRH: Well, you must have hurt one badly - just one - that you can remember?

PC: I guess I don't want to remember it very bad.

PC: I guess I don't want to remember it very bad.

LRH: Is it in this life?

LRH: Is it in this life?

PC: I thought so.

PC: I thought so.

Commentator: Tone dropping very rapidly.

Commentator: Tone dropping very rapidly.

LRH: Yeah. Yeah, you must have hurt one badly.

LRH: Yeah. Yeah, you must have hurt one badly.

Commentator: Eight points.

Commentator: Eight points.

LRH: The age you hurt her will flash. (snap)

LRH: The age you hurt her will flash. (snap)

PC: Then I thought of Mother again.

PC: Then I thought of Mother again.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

Commentator: A one-point fluctuation.

Commentator: A one-point fluctuation.

PC: I know it had something to do with my father.

PC: I know it had something to do with my father.

LRH: You did something awful bad to her?

LRH: You did something awful bad to her?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Birth? (snap)

LRH: Birth? (snap)

PC: I got a "yeah" on that.

PC: I got a "yeah" on that.

LRH: Yeah?

LRH: Yeah?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: One-point drop.

Commentator: One-point drop.

LRH: When did your mother complain to you about birth?

LRH: When did your mother complain to you about birth?

PC: Gee, I don't recall her complaining about my birth.

PC: Gee, I don't recall her complaining about my birth.

LRH: Did she ever complain to you about her birth - your birth?

LRH: Did she ever complain to you about her birth - your birth?

PC: No. She'd tell me mine was the easiest of the kids.

PC: No. She'd tell me mine was the easiest of the kids.

Commentator: Five-point fluctuation.

Commentator: Five-point fluctuation.

LRH: It was the easiest?

LRH: It was the easiest?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: But the rest were awfully difficult?

LRH: But the rest were awfully difficult?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Oh-oh-oh, Yours, then, by comparison, still was pretty bad. Did she ever make the crack "After everything I've done for you..."?

LRH: Oh-oh-oh, Yours, then, by comparison, still was pretty bad. Did she ever make the crack "After everything I've done for you..."?

PC: Lots of times.

PC: Lots of times.

LRH: "After everything ...

LRH: "After everything ...

PC: Oh, no she'd not say it that way but that was the theme of it.

PC: Oh, no she'd not say it that way but that was the theme of it.

LRH: Uh-huh. Make you unhappy about it?

LRH: Uh-huh. Make you unhappy about it?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Have you ever had the feeling that maybe you should contribute to her but you can't?

LRH: Have you ever had the feeling that maybe you should contribute to her but you can't?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is this a big maybe?

LRH: Is this a big maybe?

PC: I don't think anymore, somehow.

PC: I don't think anymore, somehow.

Commentator: Two-Point rise.

Commentator: Two-Point rise.

LRH: It's there a little bit.

LRH: It's there a little bit.

PC: Damn machine! (laugh)

PC: Damn machine! (laugh)

LRH: You remember the first time you sat down and worried about this?

LRH: You remember the first time you sat down and worried about this?

PC: I think of times, yes.

PC: I think of times, yes.

LRH: When did you make an effort to contribute to your mother, and your mother told you that it was not an effort to contribute to her and you - "maybe I can't contribute to my mother"?

LRH: When did you make an effort to contribute to your mother, and your mother told you that it was not an effort to contribute to her and you - "maybe I can't contribute to my mother"?

PC: Divorce proceedings about '45, I think.

PC: Divorce proceedings about '45, I think.

LRH: With her husband, your father?

LRH: With her husband, your father?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What made you realize you couldn't contribute to her?

LRH: What made you realize you couldn't contribute to her?

PC: She wouldn't let me. I mean, that's ...

PC: She wouldn't let me. I mean, that's ...

LRH: Remember the moment of failure?

LRH: Remember the moment of failure?

PC: Not particularly no.

PC: Not particularly no.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: Hm?

PC: Not offhand.

PC: Not offhand.

LRH: Not offhand.

LRH: Not offhand.

PC: Just a general feeling there.

PC: Just a general feeling there.

LRH: Yeah. Did you make - ever make any defenses - offenses against God?

LRH: Yeah. Did you make - ever make any defenses - offenses against God?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm? Bad ones?

LRH: Hm? Bad ones?

Commentator: Needle dropped two points.

Commentator: Needle dropped two points.

PC: Hardly know how to evaluate it. I think so.

PC: Hardly know how to evaluate it. I think so.

LRH: How about Christ - against Christ?

LRH: How about Christ - against Christ?

PC: I think no.

PC: I think no.

LRH: No? How about against mankind?

LRH: No? How about against mankind?

PC: I don't know that.

PC: I don't know that.

LRH: How about against children, little children? Did you ever run over a kid on a bicycle?

LRH: How about against children, little children? Did you ever run over a kid on a bicycle?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Did you ever run over a kid while you were on a scooter?

LRH: Did you ever run over a kid while you were on a scooter?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Did you ever knock a kid down and get him hurt?

LRH: Did you ever knock a kid down and get him hurt?

PC: I think there might be something there.

PC: I think there might be something there.

LRH: Ever knock a little girl down and get her hurt?

LRH: Ever knock a little girl down and get her hurt?

PC: I think no.

PC: I think no.

LRH: No. Yes or no? Is the incident we're looking for in this life? (snap)

LRH: No. Yes or no? Is the incident we're looking for in this life? (snap)

PC: Got a yes.

PC: Got a yes.

LRH: Yes?

LRH: Yes?

Commentator: Fluctuation of three points and a drop.

Commentator: Fluctuation of three points and a drop.

LRH: The age of it will flash. (snap)

LRH: The age of it will flash. (snap)

PC: I got ten again.

PC: I got ten again.

LRH: Ten again. What happened when - this "ten"?

LRH: Ten again. What happened when - this "ten"?

PC: Gee, I don't even know where I was when I was ten.

PC: Gee, I don't even know where I was when I was ten.

LRH: Oh, gee. Well, when did you decide to forget it?

LRH: Oh, gee. Well, when did you decide to forget it?

Commentator: Three-Point drop.

Commentator: Three-Point drop.

PC: When I was ten, Probably.

PC: When I was ten, Probably.

LRH: When you were ten?

LRH: When you were ten?

Commentator: Five-Point drop.

Commentator: Five-Point drop.

LRH: Oh, you got a sort of inkling of it right now, haven't you?

LRH: Oh, you got a sort of inkling of it right now, haven't you?

PC: I've been listening to your lectures, I think.

PC: I've been listening to your lectures, I think.

Commentator: The needle has now dropped an additional two points, fluctuating back, and now in its original Position at start of this series.

Commentator: The needle has now dropped an additional two points, fluctuating back, and now in its original Position at start of this series.

PC: Sorry.

PC: Sorry.

LRH: Just don't get it, huh?

LRH: Just don't get it, huh?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Well, all right. Now, as the remaining part of this, let me just ask you this and clarify this matter. It's a relief to have me stop questioning you, isn't it?

LRH: Well, all right. Now, as the remaining part of this, let me just ask you this and clarify this matter. It's a relief to have me stop questioning you, isn't it?

PC: It sure is.

PC: It sure is.

LRH: Were we really on to - up to something hot? We almost get something awful hot?

LRH: Were we really on to - up to something hot? We almost get something awful hot?

Commentator: Needle event up about five points and now dropping, down to seven from the original position.

Commentator: Needle event up about five points and now dropping, down to seven from the original position.

LRH: Real hot? Something you wouldn't dare face? (pause) Is this in an earlier life?

LRH: Real hot? Something you wouldn't dare face? (pause) Is this in an earlier life?

PC: Well ...

PC: Well ...

LRH: The basis on this hurting women - earlier life? (pause) Hurting mothers?

LRH: The basis on this hurting women - earlier life? (pause) Hurting mothers?

PC: I - I don't have any information on that.

PC: I - I don't have any information on that.

LRH: Well, the machine does.

LRH: Well, the machine does.

PC: I don't know.

PC: I don't know.

LRH: Did you ever hurt your mother in some earlier life?

LRH: Did you ever hurt your mother in some earlier life?

Commentator: The needle fluctuating one point.

Commentator: The needle fluctuating one point.

PC: I see that I could have.

PC: I see that I could have.

LRH: Did you ever hurt your wife after she'd given birth to a baby?

LRH: Did you ever hurt your wife after she'd given birth to a baby?

Commentator: Two-point drop.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

LRH: Did you ever lose a wife giving birth to a baby?

LRH: Did you ever lose a wife giving birth to a baby?

Commentator: Two-point drop. Fluctuation three points.

Commentator: Two-point drop. Fluctuation three points.

PC: I don't know.

PC: I don't know.

LRH: Now we got it.

LRH: Now we got it.

PC: Have we?

PC: Have we?

LRH: Can you remember something like that?

LRH: Can you remember something like that?

PC: I have a fertile imagination.

PC: I have a fertile imagination.

LRH: Go ahead, imagine it.

LRH: Go ahead, imagine it.

Commentator: Four-point drop.

Commentator: Four-point drop.

LRH: Always happy to have somebody use a fertile imagination.

LRH: Always happy to have somebody use a fertile imagination.

PC: Yeah, I could imagine certain events happening.

PC: Yeah, I could imagine certain events happening.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: The needle has dropped six points.

Commentator: The needle has dropped six points.

LRH: Is she a blonde or brunette?

LRH: Is she a blonde or brunette?

PC: Dark hair, I got.

PC: Dark hair, I got.

LRH: Did you bury her?

LRH: Did you bury her?

PC: I don't know.

PC: I don't know.

LRH: Did you ever shoot a woman?

LRH: Did you ever shoot a woman?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation.

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation.

LRH: Did you ever choke one?

LRH: Did you ever choke one?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: Tone lose one point.

Commentator: Tone lose one point.

LRH: Did you ever loot a town?

LRH: Did you ever loot a town?

PC: Seems like an awful lot of effort.

PC: Seems like an awful lot of effort.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

Commentator: No fluctuation.

Commentator: No fluctuation.

LRH: Oh, it seems suddenly like a lot of effort to loot a town?

LRH: Oh, it seems suddenly like a lot of effort to loot a town?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: One-point change.

Commentator: One-point change.

LRH: Burn it? Rape?

LRH: Burn it? Rape?

PC: (yawns)

PC: (yawns)

LRH: Did you ever violate a temple?

LRH: Did you ever violate a temple?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Did you ever commit rape?

LRH: Did you ever commit rape?

PC: (yawns) Yeah.

PC: (yawns) Yeah.

Commentator: A two-point drop.

Commentator: A two-point drop.

LRH: Winding up in the death of the girl involved?

LRH: Winding up in the death of the girl involved?

PC: That wouldn't be so pretty.

PC: That wouldn't be so pretty.

LRH: That wouldn't be pretty?

LRH: That wouldn't be pretty?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Did you do it?

LRH: Did you do it?

PC: No.

PC: No.

Commentator: One-point drop.

Commentator: One-point drop.

LRH: How about just plain strangling one?

LRH: How about just plain strangling one?

PC: Yeah, I can see that.

PC: Yeah, I can see that.

LRH: How about biting the throat out of one?

LRH: How about biting the throat out of one?

Commentator: Two-point rise.

Commentator: Two-point rise.

PC: I don't like that.

PC: I don't like that.

LRH: You don't like that?

LRH: You don't like that?

PC: No, it's too messy.

PC: No, it's too messy.

LRH: They bleed, huh?

LRH: They bleed, huh?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, what have we got here?

LRH: Well, what have we got here?

Commentator: Needle went up three points and is now dropping to four, five points.

Commentator: Needle went up three points and is now dropping to four, five points.

PC: Blood?

PC: Blood?

Commentator: Twelve points down.

Commentator: Twelve points down.

LRH: Women's blood? Women's blood?

LRH: Women's blood? Women's blood?

PC: Yep. I hear you.

PC: Yep. I hear you.

LRH: Children's blood?

LRH: Children's blood?

PC: That, too.

PC: That, too.

LRH: Your blood? Women's blood, huh?

LRH: Your blood? Women's blood, huh?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Women's blood. What do you do, cut their throats? (The most accepted method.)

LRH: Women's blood. What do you do, cut their throats? (The most accepted method.)

Commentator: Drop of three on "women's blood."

Commentator: Drop of three on "women's blood."

PC: Yeah, there's more blood there, I guess.

PC: Yeah, there's more blood there, I guess.

LRH: Yeah, more blood there. Do you ever have a cough?

LRH: Yeah, more blood there. Do you ever have a cough?

PC: Not too much. No.

PC: Not too much. No.

LRH: Was she pretty?

LRH: Was she pretty?

Commentator: Tone rise.

Commentator: Tone rise.

LRH: In order of magnitude, how many years ago was this?

LRH: In order of magnitude, how many years ago was this?

PC: Not so far.

PC: Not so far.

LRH: About five hundred years ago? Was she a nice girl till you came along?

LRH: About five hundred years ago? Was she a nice girl till you came along?

PC: Yes, I think so.

PC: Yes, I think so.

LRH: Was she pretty? Was she somebody's wife?

LRH: Was she pretty? Was she somebody's wife?

PC: I thought no.

PC: I thought no.

LRH: Was she a virgin?

LRH: Was she a virgin?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Was she a nun?

LRH: Was she a nun?

PC: Oh, God.

PC: Oh, God.

LRH: Well, was she?

LRH: Well, was she?

PC: Was she?

PC: Was she?

Commentator: A fluctuation of three Points, down and up.

Commentator: A fluctuation of three Points, down and up.

LRH: Well, let's have it. Was she?

LRH: Well, let's have it. Was she?

PC: Well, okay.

PC: Well, okay.

Commentator: Down three points again.

Commentator: Down three points again.

LRH: Well, she might have been, might not have been. How about hundreds of years ago, killing a woman hundreds of years ago. How about killing one thousands of years ago?

LRH: Well, she might have been, might not have been. How about hundreds of years ago, killing a woman hundreds of years ago. How about killing one thousands of years ago?

PC: Seems like it would be easier then than now.

PC: Seems like it would be easier then than now.

LRH: Tens of thousands of years ago? Hundreds of thousands of years ago?

LRH: Tens of thousands of years ago? Hundreds of thousands of years ago?

PC: Okay.

PC: Okay.

LRH: How about around a million years ago?

LRH: How about around a million years ago?

PC: I don't know.

PC: I don't know.

LRH: How about Facsimile One? You got Facsimile One?

LRH: How about Facsimile One? You got Facsimile One?

PC: (mumble)

PC: (mumble)

LRH: You didn't ever have it? Anybody try to audit it on you?

LRH: You didn't ever have it? Anybody try to audit it on you?

PC: Oh yeah, I've got it. But I mean, I haven't got it run out.

PC: Oh yeah, I've got it. But I mean, I haven't got it run out.

LRH: You haven't got it run out all the way?

LRH: You haven't got it run out all the way?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Did you ever use Facsimile One on anybody?

LRH: Did you ever use Facsimile One on anybody?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: On a woman?

LRH: On a woman?

Commentator: Very slight fluctuation.

Commentator: Very slight fluctuation.

LRH: I must say, you're not very conscience-stricken about it. Well, are there a lot of overt acts all through these lives against women, finally tapering off to being scared of women?

LRH: I must say, you're not very conscience-stricken about it. Well, are there a lot of overt acts all through these lives against women, finally tapering off to being scared of women?

Commentator: Tone rise two points.

Commentator: Tone rise two points.

LRH: Scared of hurting them? Are there?

LRH: Scared of hurting them? Are there?

PC: I don't know, might be.

PC: I don't know, might be.

LRH: Oh, just on a generality. How about this young girl that we were talking about? Blood.

LRH: Oh, just on a generality. How about this young girl that we were talking about? Blood.

PC: That seems more ...

PC: That seems more ...

LRH: Blood

LRH: Blood

Commentator: Two points, now dropping.

Commentator: Two points, now dropping.

LRH: Blood. What did she do? Bleed and bleed and bleed?

LRH: Blood. What did she do? Bleed and bleed and bleed?

Commentator: Five Points.

Commentator: Five Points.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: After a while did you try to stop it? Or did you just stand there or go away?

LRH: After a while did you try to stop it? Or did you just stand there or go away?

PC: I don't know.

PC: I don't know.

LRH: Did you just stand there?

LRH: Did you just stand there?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Had she been untrue to you?

LRH: Had she been untrue to you?

PC: I don't know.

PC: I don't know.

LRH: Don't know.

LRH: Don't know.

PC: I - I get the idea it was something else.

PC: I - I get the idea it was something else.

Commentator: Two-point rise.

Commentator: Two-point rise.

LRH: What was it?

LRH: What was it?

PC: All I remember was I was mad.

PC: All I remember was I was mad.

LRH: Lust? Lust, huh? And you just up and killed her?

LRH: Lust? Lust, huh? And you just up and killed her?

PC: Served her right.

PC: Served her right.

LRH: That good for her? Because she was a woman. What had a woman done to you just before that? Woman ever murder you?

LRH: That good for her? Because she was a woman. What had a woman done to you just before that? Woman ever murder you?

Commentator: Point drop.

Commentator: Point drop.

LRH: Girl ever kill you?

LRH: Girl ever kill you?

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation down.

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation down.

PC: Don't know.

PC: Don't know.

LRH: Well, I must say you've got this one pretty well buried.

LRH: Well, I must say you've got this one pretty well buried.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Got this pretty well buried. Did you bury her?

LRH: Got this pretty well buried. Did you bury her?

PC: I didn't tell.

PC: I didn't tell.

LRH: You didn't tell, huh?

LRH: You didn't tell, huh?

PC: Hm-mm.

PC: Hm-mm.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

LRH: No, guess you didn't, And you're not going to tell now, are you? They finally find you?

LRH: No, guess you didn't, And you're not going to tell now, are you? They finally find you?

Commentator: Three-point drop.

Commentator: Three-point drop.

LRH: Oh, boy? They finally find you and hang you?

LRH: Oh, boy? They finally find you and hang you?

Commentator: Five points.

Commentator: Five points.

LRH: Who got you, her brother?

LRH: Who got you, her brother?

PC: Don't know.

PC: Don't know.

LRH: Her father?

LRH: Her father?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Did somebody catch up with you?

LRH: Did somebody catch up with you?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: The whole town?

LRH: The whole town?

PC: Yeah!

PC: Yeah!

LRH: Yeah, I guess they did.

LRH: Yeah, I guess they did.

Commentator: Three-point drop.

Commentator: Three-point drop.

LRH: Were you a soldier?

LRH: Were you a soldier?

PC: I thought not.

PC: I thought not.

LRH: No. Were you a monk?

LRH: No. Were you a monk?

PC: Maybe.

PC: Maybe.

LRH: Were you a gentleman?

LRH: Were you a gentleman?

PC: Wasn't!

PC: Wasn't!

LRH: Yeah. That was part of it, wasn't it? Maybe you weren't a gentleman anymore.

LRH: Yeah. That was part of it, wasn't it? Maybe you weren't a gentleman anymore.

PC: No.

PC: No.

Commentator: Tone's dropped five points.

Commentator: Tone's dropped five points.

LRH: Would that have convinced you you weren't a gentleman?

LRH: Would that have convinced you you weren't a gentleman?

PC: I think it did pretty well.

PC: I think it did pretty well.

LRH: Gee. Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir, yes sir.

LRH: Gee. Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir, yes sir.

Commentator: Twelve-point drop.

Commentator: Twelve-point drop.

LRH: Your loss of personal pride on this moment ... Is that where you lost your personal pride the last time? Admitting to yourself finally that you had done it?

LRH: Your loss of personal pride on this moment ... Is that where you lost your personal pride the last time? Admitting to yourself finally that you had done it?

Commentator: The needle is now hovering about ten points from the right edge of the scale.

Commentator: The needle is now hovering about ten points from the right edge of the scale.

LRH: The refusing to tell. Maybe you weren't a gentleman anymore if you could do things like this.

LRH: The refusing to tell. Maybe you weren't a gentleman anymore if you could do things like this.

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Do you have to restrain yourself because of this?

LRH: Do you have to restrain yourself because of this?

PC: Yeah, I have to watch.

PC: Yeah, I have to watch.

LRH: You have to watch for what? The guys to come for you? Huh?

LRH: You have to watch for what? The guys to come for you? Huh?

PC: I don't know.

PC: I don't know.

LRH: The guys to come for you?

LRH: The guys to come for you?

PC: No, the way I acted then.

PC: No, the way I acted then.

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

LRH: Would this have to be audited out?

LRH: Would this have to be audited out?

PC: It depends on Fac One. I - I don't know.

PC: It depends on Fac One. I - I don't know.

LRH: Why don't you just go back to the - what would you kill her with? Which hand would you strike her with? (pause) Would you strike her?

LRH: Why don't you just go back to the - what would you kill her with? Which hand would you strike her with? (pause) Would you strike her?

PC: No, I don't think so.

PC: No, I don't think so.

LRH: With your right hand?

LRH: With your right hand?

PC: Yeah, I could.

PC: Yeah, I could.

LRH: Strike her with your right hand?

LRH: Strike her with your right hand?

Commentator: Two-point needle fluctuation.

Commentator: Two-point needle fluctuation.

LRH: Did your right hand hold a weapon?

LRH: Did your right hand hold a weapon?

PC: I get the idea I cut her on something that was stationary.

PC: I get the idea I cut her on something that was stationary.

LRH: Threw her into something stationary...

LRH: Threw her into something stationary...

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... and cut her?

LRH: ... and cut her?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Cut what?

LRH: Cut what?

PC: Throat, breast.

PC: Throat, breast.

LRH: Throat and breast?

LRH: Throat and breast?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: Two points drop.

Commentator: Two points drop.

LRH: What did you do, throw her away from you?

LRH: What did you do, throw her away from you?

PC: More like shoved, I think.

PC: More like shoved, I think.

LRH: Shove her away from you? You can still hold on to the cans and do this, just imagine the position of your arms and start shoving this girl away from you.

LRH: Shove her away from you? You can still hold on to the cans and do this, just imagine the position of your arms and start shoving this girl away from you.

PC: Yeah. Rrrrh. Pardon me.

PC: Yeah. Rrrrh. Pardon me.

LRH: Go ahead, shove her away.

LRH: Go ahead, shove her away.

Commentator: Preclear shoves. Tone rising, a three-point rise.

Commentator: Preclear shoves. Tone rising, a three-point rise.

LRH: What's it feel like?

LRH: What's it feel like?

PC: I'm wondering. (laugh)

PC: I'm wondering. (laugh)

LRH: All right, let's get an imaginary visio. Let's just get an imaginary visio.

LRH: All right, let's get an imaginary visio. Let's just get an imaginary visio.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And just sit there and watch this imaginary visio: watch the blood flow back off the pavement into her body, and her come off of what she was shoved against and then sort of feel your arms pulling back to stand her upright. Now, just get - run that sequence.

LRH: And just sit there and watch this imaginary visio: watch the blood flow back off the pavement into her body, and her come off of what she was shoved against and then sort of feel your arms pulling back to stand her upright. Now, just get - run that sequence.

Commentator: Tone dropped five points and is now rising, remaining stationary. Dropping two points, rising slowly.

Commentator: Tone dropped five points and is now rising, remaining stationary. Dropping two points, rising slowly.

LRH: Until she's again upright.

LRH: Until she's again upright.

PC: Mm-hm. Yeah. I did once.

PC: Mm-hm. Yeah. I did once.

LRH: All right, let's run her again. Let's just do that - just consistently, over and over and over and over.

LRH: All right, let's run her again. Let's just do that - just consistently, over and over and over and over.

Commentator: Drop of one point, hovering back. Needle is fluctuating about two points, dropping and then rising.

Commentator: Drop of one point, hovering back. Needle is fluctuating about two points, dropping and then rising.

PC: Seems peculiar.

PC: Seems peculiar.

Commentator: Remaining stationary now.

Commentator: Remaining stationary now.

LRH: What's peculiar?

LRH: What's peculiar?

PC: It's going backwards.

PC: It's going backwards.

Commentator: Dropping one point.

Commentator: Dropping one point.

LRH: All right, keep rolling it.

LRH: All right, keep rolling it.

PC: (yawns)

PC: (yawns)

LRH: What was her name? (snap)

LRH: What was her name? (snap)

PC: I got the name of a person a preclear gave me and it was the name of a bad girl.

PC: I got the name of a person a preclear gave me and it was the name of a bad girl.

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation.

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation.

LRH: What is it?

LRH: What is it?

PC: Alicia.

PC: Alicia.

LRH: Was her name Alicia?

LRH: Was her name Alicia?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: No? It says yes.

LRH: No? It says yes.

Commentator: Two Points drop.

Commentator: Two Points drop.

LRH: Go on, pick her up.

LRH: Go on, pick her up.

Male voice: Ron, the same girl? (laughter)

Male voice: Ron, the same girl? (laughter)

LRH: Pick her up. Why, out of all the names preclears have given you for women, does this one stand in your mind?

LRH: Pick her up. Why, out of all the names preclears have given you for women, does this one stand in your mind?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Get your effort now to...

LRH: Get your effort now to...

Commentator: Three-point drop.

Commentator: Three-point drop.

LRH: ... pour the blood back into her body and your effort to bring her upright - draw her upright with your hands.

LRH: ... pour the blood back into her body and your effort to bring her upright - draw her upright with your hands.

Commentator: Rising now - up. Fluctuating approximately two Points around the center of the dial.

Commentator: Rising now - up. Fluctuating approximately two Points around the center of the dial.

LRH: Do it again.

LRH: Do it again.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Get your effort to do it again.

LRH: Get your effort to do it again.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Get your effort to do it now. (pause) Having a hard time finding the effort?

LRH: Get your effort to do it now. (pause) Having a hard time finding the effort?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, let's find the emotion. Feel the apathy after you realize that nothing could be done about it, and then track your emotions right backward to the moment you push her.

LRH: All right, let's find the emotion. Feel the apathy after you realize that nothing could be done about it, and then track your emotions right backward to the moment you push her.

PC: (clears throat)

PC: (clears throat)

LRH: Mm-hm? That's right. I call to your attention - not because I'd call this to a preclear's attention - but you got her throat hitting, didn't you? Did you or didn't you?

LRH: Mm-hm? That's right. I call to your attention - not because I'd call this to a preclear's attention - but you got her throat hitting, didn't you? Did you or didn't you?

PC: What's that?

PC: What's that?

LRH: Her throat hitting. Did you feel a constriction in your throat?

LRH: Her throat hitting. Did you feel a constriction in your throat?

PC: I didn't notice.

PC: I didn't notice.

Commentator: Mentioned the word "throat," two-point drop.

Commentator: Mentioned the word "throat," two-point drop.

LRH: You cleared your throat. All right, let's get her back again. Run that emotion backwards up to the time just before you shove her.

LRH: You cleared your throat. All right, let's get her back again. Run that emotion backwards up to the time just before you shove her.

PC: I find I'm getting distracted, Ron.

PC: I find I'm getting distracted, Ron.

LRH: Getting what?

LRH: Getting what?

PC: Distracted.

PC: Distracted.

LRH: By what?

LRH: By what?

PC: The audience, I guess. I don't know.

PC: The audience, I guess. I don't know.

LRH: Oh. Get your postulate right there that you aren't there; it didn't happen. You'll tell people that you weren't there. Go on, get your postulate. You know what it is. Postulates are there, aren't they?

LRH: Oh. Get your postulate right there that you aren't there; it didn't happen. You'll tell people that you weren't there. Go on, get your postulate. You know what it is. Postulates are there, aren't they?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, get it.

LRH: All right, get it.

Commentator: A one-point fluctuation. Rising now Now dropping about seven Points.

Commentator: A one-point fluctuation. Rising now Now dropping about seven Points.

LRH: All right, now run through the incident forwards, and just feel the reality of the environment just go right on down the Tone Scale as she falls, hits, so forth.

LRH: All right, now run through the incident forwards, and just feel the reality of the environment just go right on down the Tone Scale as she falls, hits, so forth.

Commentator: Needle mooting slowly to the right, tone dropping.

Commentator: Needle mooting slowly to the right, tone dropping.

LRH: Feel your sphere of influence now just close right on down as she falls.

LRH: Feel your sphere of influence now just close right on down as she falls.

Commentator: Dropping again, coming back up.

Commentator: Dropping again, coming back up.

LRH: Can you get that concept? All right, do it again. Feel as though you're - start in and feel as though you own a great deal, then you're going to hold on to what you own, and then feel it taper right on off to nothing. And then feel the end. (pause) Did you get it? Are you getting it plainer now?

LRH: Can you get that concept? All right, do it again. Feel as though you're - start in and feel as though you own a great deal, then you're going to hold on to what you own, and then feel it taper right on off to nothing. And then feel the end. (pause) Did you get it? Are you getting it plainer now?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Huh?

LRH: Huh?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Let's get that reality just closing right on - sphere of influence closing right on in. Get that sphere of influence closing right on in now.

LRH: All right. Let's get that reality just closing right on - sphere of influence closing right on in. Get that sphere of influence closing right on in now.

Commentator: Tone has dropped about twelve points.

Commentator: Tone has dropped about twelve points.

LRH: Dwindling just to nothing.

LRH: Dwindling just to nothing.

Commentator: Rising four points.

Commentator: Rising four points.

PC: Okay.

PC: Okay.

LRH: You got it?

LRH: You got it?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: What's it dwindling in ratio to? I mean, at what points does it dwindle the most?

LRH: What's it dwindling in ratio to? I mean, at what points does it dwindle the most?

PC: To her, you mean?

PC: To her, you mean?

LRH: To you.

LRH: To you.

Commentator: Two points.

Commentator: Two points.

LRH: We're talking about your reality. Do you just switch valence in it? (snap)

LRH: We're talking about your reality. Do you just switch valence in it? (snap)

PC: I don't know.

PC: I don't know.

Commentator: It's a three-point drop, four-point drop.

Commentator: It's a three-point drop, four-point drop.

LRH: All right, let's get your sphere of reality closing right on down to nothing.

LRH: All right, let's get your sphere of reality closing right on down to nothing.

PC: Yes, yes, faster that time.

PC: Yes, yes, faster that time.

LRH: Get it again.

LRH: Get it again.

Commentutor: Four-point drop, fluctuation back to original position.

Commentutor: Four-point drop, fluctuation back to original position.

LRH: And again.

LRH: And again.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

LRH: Going very fast now.

LRH: Going very fast now.

Commentator: Fluctuation back to original position.

Commentator: Fluctuation back to original position.

PC: Well, it didn't - hung up the last time.

PC: Well, it didn't - hung up the last time.

LRH: All right. Get your unwillingness to communicate with any part of this. First, yau're wide-open on communication. Just get your communication to closing down to nothing. You're on to a point where it's reversing; you don't want to communicate,

LRH: All right. Get your unwillingness to communicate with any part of this. First, yau're wide-open on communication. Just get your communication to closing down to nothing. You're on to a point where it's reversing; you don't want to communicate,

PC: (yawns)

PC: (yawns)

Commentator: Two-point drop.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

LRH: Get it again.

LRH: Get it again.

Commentator: Fluctuation back to original position.

Commentator: Fluctuation back to original position.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Get it again. It's easier, isn't it?

LRH: Get it again. It's easier, isn't it?

PC: Mm-hm. Right.

PC: Mm-hm. Right.

Commentator: A one-point fluctuation.

Commentator: A one-point fluctuation.

LRH: Do it again.

LRH: Do it again.

Commentator: Two-point drop, coming back to original position.

Commentator: Two-point drop, coming back to original position.

LRH: All right, now get the way your affinity runs. Much earlier, how do you feel about her? Before you push her, how do you feel about her? Well before you push her, how do you feel about her?

LRH: All right, now get the way your affinity runs. Much earlier, how do you feel about her? Before you push her, how do you feel about her? Well before you push her, how do you feel about her?

PC: I liked her very much.

PC: I liked her very much.

LRH: Well, get that feeling: liking her very much and then down, down, down the Tone Scale to the bottom.

LRH: Well, get that feeling: liking her very much and then down, down, down the Tone Scale to the bottom.

Commentator: Three-Point rise.

Commentator: Three-Point rise.

LRH: How does it go?

LRH: How does it go?

Commentator: Needle fluctuating on one point.

Commentator: Needle fluctuating on one point.

PC: Well, I - I liked her, and then the next thing I know I'm angry.

PC: Well, I - I liked her, and then the next thing I know I'm angry.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Two-point drop-three, four; now rising one, two.

Commentator: Two-point drop-three, four; now rising one, two.

PC: I hated her; push her. I see that...

PC: I hated her; push her. I see that...

Commentator: Still moving up - three Points up.

Commentator: Still moving up - three Points up.

PC: I see that I killed her.

PC: I see that I killed her.

Commentator: Now in original position.

Commentator: Now in original position.

LRH: Mm-hm, Which one of those emotions are most real to you as you go down the line?

LRH: Mm-hm, Which one of those emotions are most real to you as you go down the line?

PC: The hate.

PC: The hate.

LRH: The hate. Run hatred through the incident.

LRH: The hate. Run hatred through the incident.

PC: (yawns)

PC: (yawns)

LRH: Run it again through the incident.

LRH: Run it again through the incident.

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation as the preclear runs hatred.

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation as the preclear runs hatred.

LRH: All right, now run the entire emotional gamut through the incident. (pause)

LRH: All right, now run the entire emotional gamut through the incident. (pause)

Commentator: Needle remains stationary in this run.

Commentator: Needle remains stationary in this run.

LRH: Try it again.

LRH: Try it again.

Commentator: Now up one point.

Commentator: Now up one point.

PC: Okay.

PC: Okay.

LRH: What's the matter?

LRH: What's the matter?

PC: It's harder to hold on to right now.

PC: It's harder to hold on to right now.

LRH: It's getting hard to hold on to?

LRH: It's getting hard to hold on to?

PC: A slight fading - l don't know if I'm ...

PC: A slight fading - l don't know if I'm ...

LRH: All right, Now, run the feeling of apathy, and you will have to endure it somehow, wherever it occurs there.

LRH: All right, Now, run the feeling of apathy, and you will have to endure it somehow, wherever it occurs there.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You got that? Is that very plain?

LRH: You got that? Is that very plain?

Commentator: Three-point drop.

Commentator: Three-point drop.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, just scan that wherever it occurs there.

LRH: All right, just scan that wherever it occurs there.

PC: Well, that seems to be from - from that point until the trial or then whatever happened after that.

PC: Well, that seems to be from - from that point until the trial or then whatever happened after that.

LRH: All right, scan it: feeling of apathy.

LRH: All right, scan it: feeling of apathy.

Commentator: Three-point drop during this questioning rising one point.

Commentator: Three-point drop during this questioning rising one point.

PC: I get I am ...

PC: I get I am ...

LRH: Hm?

LRH: Hm?

PC: Yeah, I got it.

PC: Yeah, I got it.

LRH: Do it again. Do you get a feeling of enduring?

LRH: Do it again. Do you get a feeling of enduring?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, let's run this feeling of enduring. (pause) Do it again: feeling of enduring. (pause) Once more. (pause)

LRH: All right, let's run this feeling of enduring. (pause) Do it again: feeling of enduring. (pause) Once more. (pause)

Commentator: Tone has now come up five Points.

Commentator: Tone has now come up five Points.

PC: It just seems to be waiting.

PC: It just seems to be waiting.

LRH: All right, run that feeling of waiting through there.

LRH: All right, run that feeling of waiting through there.

Commentator: A three-point drop, moving back two points.

Commentator: A three-point drop, moving back two points.

LRH: Run it again.

LRH: Run it again.

Commentator: Again, three-point drop. Tone up.

Commentator: Again, three-point drop. Tone up.

LRH: What visio are you picking up now?

LRH: What visio are you picking up now?

PC: I'm looking at a stone wall.

PC: I'm looking at a stone wall.

LRH: A stone wall.

LRH: A stone wall.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What's the connection with the stone wall?

LRH: What's the connection with the stone wall?

PC: Well, this is where I kill her.

PC: Well, this is where I kill her.

LRH: Oh. What are you waiting for there at the stone wall?

LRH: Oh. What are you waiting for there at the stone wall?

PC: Somebody to come and get me and punish me, I guess. I don't know.

PC: Somebody to come and get me and punish me, I guess. I don't know.

LRH: Yeah, so you were.

LRH: Yeah, so you were.

Commentator: Four-Point drop

Commentator: Four-Point drop

LRH: All right, run that feeling.

LRH: All right, run that feeling.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Run it again.

LRH: Run it again.

PC: Yeah, it's very plain.

PC: Yeah, it's very plain.

LRH: Very plain.

LRH: Very plain.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is that where this incident's hung up?

LRH: Is that where this incident's hung up?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Five-Point fluctwztion.

Commentator: Five-Point fluctwztion.

LRH: Yeah. All right, let's run it again - that feeling. All right, let's draw her upright again. Let's put the blood back in her body and draw her upright again and stand her up. (pause) Let's do it again.

LRH: Yeah. All right, let's run it again - that feeling. All right, let's draw her upright again. Let's put the blood back in her body and draw her upright again and stand her up. (pause) Let's do it again.

Commentator: Needle drops two points and returns to original position as the preclear runs through this.

Commentator: Needle drops two points and returns to original position as the preclear runs through this.

PC: (laugh)

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Let's do it again.

LRH: Let's do it again.

Commentator: Just had a very deep drop: ten, twelue points.

Commentator: Just had a very deep drop: ten, twelue points.

PC: I realize what it is, it's backwards!

PC: I realize what it is, it's backwards!

LRH: Sure. Sure. Do it again.

LRH: Sure. Sure. Do it again.

Commentator: Dropping another two points.

Commentator: Dropping another two points.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And again.

LRH: And again.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And again.

LRH: And again.

PC: Mm-hm, yeah.

PC: Mm-hm, yeah.

LRH: Get the physical effort of pulling her upright now.

LRH: Get the physical effort of pulling her upright now.

PC: Okay.

PC: Okay.

LRH: And again.

LRH: And again.

Commentator: The needle is fluctuating; gradually moving off to the left.

Commentator: The needle is fluctuating; gradually moving off to the left.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Physical effort of pulling her upright now.

LRH: Physical effort of pulling her upright now.

Commentator: Tone rising about five points.

Commentator: Tone rising about five points.

PC: Well, I'm just locked there - I mean I ...

PC: Well, I'm just locked there - I mean I ...

LRH: What is it? It's what?

LRH: What is it? It's what?

PC: I said I'm locked there. I'm kind of paralyzed, too.

PC: I said I'm locked there. I'm kind of paralyzed, too.

LRH: Mm-hm, all right. Get that feeling as you pull her up again.

LRH: Mm-hm, all right. Get that feeling as you pull her up again.

Commentator: Two points drop, tone band fluctuating.

Commentator: Two points drop, tone band fluctuating.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And once more. Are you busting loose from that spot yet?

LRH: And once more. Are you busting loose from that spot yet?

PC: Yeah, I - I can get her to where - before.

PC: Yeah, I - I can get her to where - before.

LRH: Oh, you can?

LRH: Oh, you can?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right, let's run her backwards some more.

LRH: All right, let's run her backwards some more.

Commentator: One-point needle fluctuation.

Commentator: One-point needle fluctuation.

LRH: What's happening?

LRH: What's happening?

PC: A fantasy.

PC: A fantasy.

LRH: What's the fantasy?

LRH: What's the fantasy?

Commentator: Three-Point drop

Commentator: Three-Point drop

PC: I was kissing her this time.

PC: I was kissing her this time.

LRH: All right, run her back. Allright. (pause)

LRH: All right, run her back. Allright. (pause)

Commentator: Now back to original position.

Commentator: Now back to original position.

LRH: Run her back again. (pause) And again. (pause) What's happening when you do that?

LRH: Run her back again. (pause) And again. (pause) What's happening when you do that?

PC: I'm not getting it as clear; I - I've got to kind of put her on the floor again and - and I sort of ...

PC: I'm not getting it as clear; I - I've got to kind of put her on the floor again and - and I sort of ...

LRH: Is it trying to run forwards? (pause) Well, pull her backwards again.

LRH: Is it trying to run forwards? (pause) Well, pull her backwards again.

PC: Uh-huh. (mumbles)

PC: Uh-huh. (mumbles)

Commentator: Needle fluctuating.

Commentator: Needle fluctuating.

LRH: Mm-hm. Pull her backwards again.

LRH: Mm-hm. Pull her backwards again.

Commentator: Range around three Points.

Commentator: Range around three Points.

LRH: Tell me when it starts to run forwards. Pull her backwards again.

LRH: Tell me when it starts to run forwards. Pull her backwards again.

PC: I think it's trying to run forward now.

PC: I think it's trying to run forward now.

LRH: You having a harder and harder time to pull it backwards? Pull it backwards a couple of more times.

LRH: You having a harder and harder time to pull it backwards? Pull it backwards a couple of more times.

Commentator: Preclear runs this backwards; the needle fluctuates by a swing of three points.

Commentator: Preclear runs this backwards; the needle fluctuates by a swing of three points.

PC: (pause) It's going again.

PC: (pause) It's going again.

LRH: What's happening?

LRH: What's happening?

PC: She's going against the wall now.

PC: She's going against the wall now.

LRH: She is? You getting motion in this now?

LRH: She is? You getting motion in this now?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Gee! Pull her backwards some more. (pause) Now this time, feel your reality...

LRH: Gee! Pull her backwards some more. (pause) Now this time, feel your reality...

Commentator: Tone has dropped four points.

Commentator: Tone has dropped four points.

LRH: This time, feel your reality expand. Feel it at its smallest point of reality while you're waiting, and then feel your whole reality of the world open up around you. Just run it backward and feel that expansion of the - in the environment.

LRH: This time, feel your reality expand. Feel it at its smallest point of reality while you're waiting, and then feel your whole reality of the world open up around you. Just run it backward and feel that expansion of the - in the environment.

PC: Nothing.

PC: Nothing.

LRH: Do it again.

LRH: Do it again.

Commentator: Needle has moved extreme right.

Commentator: Needle has moved extreme right.

LRH: All right. Now, is there a sequence like "Not wanting to touch her, wanting to touch her, not wanting to touch her," as you run backwards?

LRH: All right. Now, is there a sequence like "Not wanting to touch her, wanting to touch her, not wanting to touch her," as you run backwards?

PC: I didn't hit it.

PC: I didn't hit it.

LRH: All right, let's get that tactile. Let's run all feeling of tactile backwards now.

LRH: All right, let's get that tactile. Let's run all feeling of tactile backwards now.

PC: Mm.

PC: Mm.

LRH: What have you got?

LRH: What have you got?

Commentator: Needle fluctuating three points.

Commentator: Needle fluctuating three points.

PC: I'm going over it. Didn't want to touch her.

PC: I'm going over it. Didn't want to touch her.

LRH: Good.

LRH: Good.

PC: I'm to the point where I - I wanted to touch her, but not like this.

PC: I'm to the point where I - I wanted to touch her, but not like this.

LRH: Oh, sure.

LRH: Oh, sure.

PC: I mean, it gets kind of confused.

PC: I mean, it gets kind of confused.

LRH: Okay. Let's run that again.

LRH: Okay. Let's run that again.

Commentator: Needle dropping seven - four points fluctuation as the preclear runs this Particular phase.

Commentator: Needle dropping seven - four points fluctuation as the preclear runs this Particular phase.

LRH: Do it again.

LRH: Do it again.

PC: (mumble)

PC: (mumble)

LRH: Let's run looking at her backwards now.

LRH: Let's run looking at her backwards now.

Commentator: Needle, three-point fluctucltion.

Commentator: Needle, three-point fluctucltion.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Let's run looking at her backwards again.

LRH: Let's run looking at her backwards again.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, let's run hearing her backwards.

LRH: All right, let's run hearing her backwards.

Commentator: Very slight motion of the needle, one point.

Commentator: Very slight motion of the needle, one point.

PC: I can do that.

PC: I can do that.

LRH: Hearing her backwards again. (pause) What have you got?

LRH: Hearing her backwards again. (pause) What have you got?

PC: Her hollering at me.

PC: Her hollering at me.

LRH: All right, run it backwards.

LRH: All right, run it backwards.

Commentator: The tone has now dropped another three points, fluctuating on a three-point drop.

Commentator: The tone has now dropped another three points, fluctuating on a three-point drop.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And backwards again.

LRH: And backwards again.

PC: It seems to be going the other way

PC: It seems to be going the other way

LRH: Oh, going the other way. All right, let her holler. Run it forwards.

LRH: Oh, going the other way. All right, let her holler. Run it forwards.

Commentator: Tone has dropped the slightest bit over to the right.

Commentator: Tone has dropped the slightest bit over to the right.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Make you feel good?

LRH: Make you feel good?

PC: Not particularly.

PC: Not particularly.

LRH: All right, let her run forwards again. Get that nice mellow voice at first, and then let's find out what happens to her.

LRH: All right, let her run forwards again. Get that nice mellow voice at first, and then let's find out what happens to her.

PC: I started to tell you she was mad at me too.

PC: I started to tell you she was mad at me too.

LRH: Okay. Justified, huh?

LRH: Okay. Justified, huh?

PC: (laugh)

PC: (laugh)

Commentator: The needle has moved to the extreme right. Sensitivity control now being adjusted.

Commentator: The needle has moved to the extreme right. Sensitivity control now being adjusted.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Roll it again.

LRH: Roll it again.

Commentator: Sensitivity control now at 8.

Commentator: Sensitivity control now at 8.

LRH: Getting sonic on it?

LRH: Getting sonic on it?

PC: A little.

PC: A little.

LRH: A little?

LRH: A little?

PC: Conceptual... (mumbles)

PC: Conceptual... (mumbles)

LRH: Conceptual sonic?

LRH: Conceptual sonic?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yes or no: You been trying to close her voice out? (snap)

LRH: Yes or no: You been trying to close her voice out? (snap)

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Not very seriously though. Okay. Now, let's run your body position straight through, forward.

LRH: Not very seriously though. Okay. Now, let's run your body position straight through, forward.

Commentator: One-point fluctuating.

Commentator: One-point fluctuating.

PC: Doesn't seem to be too much there.

PC: Doesn't seem to be too much there.

LRH: You don't change too much?

LRH: You don't change too much?

PC: No.

PC: No.

Commentator: Quick drop.

Commentator: Quick drop.

LRH: Mm-hm. How do you feel emotionally at this moment?

LRH: Mm-hm. How do you feel emotionally at this moment?

PC: Right now here in present time? I've got the shakes.

PC: Right now here in present time? I've got the shakes.

LRH: You getting shaky over this?

LRH: You getting shaky over this?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. And long as this is just a demonstration to give techniques, rather than otherwise, how about scanning off the incident?

LRH: Okay. And long as this is just a demonstration to give techniques, rather than otherwise, how about scanning off the incident?

Commentator: Three-point drop, needle rising slowly.

Commentator: Three-point drop, needle rising slowly.

LRH: Scan it off again.

LRH: Scan it off again.

Commentator: Needle continues to rise.

Commentator: Needle continues to rise.

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: You remember when you agreed to run this incident?

LRH: You remember when you agreed to run this incident?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: One-point fluctuation and rising.

Commentator: One-point fluctuation and rising.

LRH: Remember when you agreed to be a demonstration subject?

LRH: Remember when you agreed to be a demonstration subject?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: One-point drop.

Commentator: One-point drop.

LRH: Mm-hm, Remember when you agreed to go back and pick up that facsimile and run it?

LRH: Mm-hm, Remember when you agreed to go back and pick up that facsimile and run it?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: Needle rising.

Commentator: Needle rising.

LRH: Do you recall now agreeing to scan over the session?

LRH: Do you recall now agreeing to scan over the session?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

Commentator: One-point fluctuation.

Commentator: One-point fluctuation.

LRH: Agreeing to run it backwards?

LRH: Agreeing to run it backwards?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Do you recall your postulate that you had the shakes?

LRH: Do you recall your postulate that you had the shakes?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Do you have them now?

LRH: Do you have them now?

Commentator: Needle in original - highest position reached yet.

Commentator: Needle in original - highest position reached yet.

PC: Not as bad.

PC: Not as bad.

LRH: Are they less?

LRH: Are they less?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

Commentator: One-point drop.

Commentator: One-point drop.

LRH: All right. You know what it is that's holding them in suspension.

LRH: All right. You know what it is that's holding them in suspension.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, what is it?

LRH: All right, what is it?

PC: I thought Fac One.

PC: I thought Fac One.

LRH: Fac One.

LRH: Fac One.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What part of Fac One?

LRH: What part of Fac One?

Commentator: One-point drop.

Commentator: One-point drop.

LRH: An overt-act use of Fac One?

LRH: An overt-act use of Fac One?

PC: Don't know.

PC: Don't know.

LRH: Huh?

LRH: Huh?

PC: Don't know that. Could be - this is it.

PC: Don't know that. Could be - this is it.

LRH: Is it? Huh?

LRH: Is it? Huh?

PC: I mean, that was it!

PC: I mean, that was it!

LRH: That was it? Oh, we're running an overt use of Fac One, Hurting and killing somebody?

LRH: That was it? Oh, we're running an overt use of Fac One, Hurting and killing somebody?

PC: Uh-huh.

PC: Uh-huh.

LRH: Uh-huh. You running on an emotional shut-off?

LRH: Uh-huh. You running on an emotional shut-off?

PC: Don't know.

PC: Don't know.

LRH: Is there an emotional shut-off in the incident we've just been running?

LRH: Is there an emotional shut-off in the incident we've just been running?

PC: Could be. Yeah.

PC: Could be. Yeah.

Commentator: Very slight needle fluctuation.

Commentator: Very slight needle fluctuation.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is it enduring? Why don't you just flick the postulate. (snap)

LRH: Mm-hm. Is it enduring? Why don't you just flick the postulate. (snap)

PC: Just like that?

PC: Just like that?

LRH: Yeah, just pick it up. What's the postulate that shuts off your emotions?

LRH: Yeah, just pick it up. What's the postulate that shuts off your emotions?

Commentator: One-point drop.

Commentator: One-point drop.

PC: "There seems to be no use caring."

PC: "There seems to be no use caring."

LRH: Hm? All right. Where were you when you thought there was no use caring about it?

LRH: Hm? All right. Where were you when you thought there was no use caring about it?

PC: Knocking her against the wall.

PC: Knocking her against the wall.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

LRH: Uh-huh."No use caring."

LRH: Uh-huh."No use caring."

Commentator: Three-point drop.

Commentator: Three-point drop.

LRH: Can you get the feeling that goes along with the postulate?

LRH: Can you get the feeling that goes along with the postulate?

PC: Yeah!

PC: Yeah!

LRH: Why did you get this feeling?

LRH: Why did you get this feeling?

Commentator: Tone arm rising two points.

Commentator: Tone arm rising two points.

PC: (sigh) Oh, it's kind of involved.

PC: (sigh) Oh, it's kind of involved.

LRH: Kind of involved.

LRH: Kind of involved.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: This got anything to do with your mother? Who does this girl look like?

LRH: This got anything to do with your mother? Who does this girl look like?

PC: Several people.

PC: Several people.

LRH: Can you see the difference between this girl and those people?

LRH: Can you see the difference between this girl and those people?

PC: Yeah. Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah. Mm-hm.

LRH: Yeah?

LRH: Yeah?

Commentator: One-point rise.

Commentator: One-point rise.

LRH: She look like your sister?

LRH: She look like your sister?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Mother?

LRH: Mother?

Commentator: Slight fluctuation.

Commentator: Slight fluctuation.

PC: I - maybe when Mother was that young, I don't know.

PC: I - maybe when Mother was that young, I don't know.

LRH: Girlfriend?

LRH: Girlfriend?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Definitely your girlfriend?

LRH: Definitely your girlfriend?

Commentator: Tone rising.

Commentator: Tone rising.

LRH: All right. You see the difference between them?

LRH: All right. You see the difference between them?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. Make you feel any different to feel the difference between these two women? You don't have to feel better.

LRH: Mm-hm. Make you feel any different to feel the difference between these two women? You don't have to feel better.

PC: I don't know.

PC: I don't know.

LRH: You don't know. There's still a maybe on this.

LRH: You don't know. There's still a maybe on this.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is this Fac One?

LRH: Is this Fac One?

Commentator: A slight fluctuation.

Commentator: A slight fluctuation.

LRH: Overt use of Fac One?

LRH: Overt use of Fac One?

Commentator: Two points drop.

Commentator: Two points drop.

LRH: Is there a lot of grief on this incident?

LRH: Is there a lot of grief on this incident?

Commentator: One-point, two-point drop.

Commentator: One-point, two-point drop.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You know what the Boohoo is?

LRH: You know what the Boohoo is?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How about the Boohoo?

LRH: How about the Boohoo?

Commentator: Two-point, three-point drop.

Commentator: Two-point, three-point drop.

PC: I've never been there yet.

PC: I've never been there yet.

LRH: You never been there yet, huh? How about the Helper?

LRH: You never been there yet, huh? How about the Helper?

PC: I'm not too aquainted with it, in fact.

PC: I'm not too aquainted with it, in fact.

LRH: Helper? Splitting in half.

LRH: Helper? Splitting in half.

Commentator: Tone arm rise. Two- to three-point rise

Commentator: Tone arm rise. Two- to three-point rise

PC: Maybe confused it with embryologic encounter.

PC: Maybe confused it with embryologic encounter.

LRH: Yeah. The Boohoo, huh? Is there an emotional shut-off in the Boohoo?

LRH: Yeah. The Boohoo, huh? Is there an emotional shut-off in the Boohoo?

Commentator: Two-point drop.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

PC: I've considered it ...

PC: I've considered it ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... but I don't know.

PC: ... but I don't know.

LRH: Is your emotion shut off in the Boohoo?

LRH: Is your emotion shut off in the Boohoo?

PC: I think not.

PC: I think not.

LRH: A little bit.

LRH: A little bit.

PC: Uh-huh.

PC: Uh-huh.

LRH: Little bit, a little bit. You wouldn't mind running the Boohoo?

LRH: Little bit, a little bit. You wouldn't mind running the Boohoo?

PC: No, no I don't think so.

PC: No, no I don't think so.

LRH: That's the one we ought to be running on your case; obviously an emotional blockage to some degree.

LRH: That's the one we ought to be running on your case; obviously an emotional blockage to some degree.

Commentator: Two-point rise.

Commentator: Two-point rise.

LRH: But you could overcome all that.

LRH: But you could overcome all that.

Commentator: Three-point rise.

Commentator: Three-point rise.

LRH: Okay. Why don't you work the chart on the handbook by yourself on an overt act on attitudes for a change? Would you?

LRH: Okay. Why don't you work the chart on the handbook by yourself on an overt act on attitudes for a change? Would you?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. Thank you.

LRH: Okay. Thank you.

PC: Thank you, Ron.

PC: Thank you, Ron.

LRH: You're welcome.

LRH: You're welcome.

[to audience] The demonstration, as in any demonstration which contains grief, was run mainly to show you auditing procedure, auditing procedure.

[to audience] The demonstration, as in any demonstration which contains grief, was run mainly to show you auditing procedure, auditing procedure.

The one thing that was omitted heavily, because the preclear was not feeling it, was his own physical effort and counter-effort, and I did not run any counter-emotion out of it.

The one thing that was omitted heavily, because the preclear was not feeling it, was his own physical effort and counter-effort, and I did not run any counter-emotion out of it.

Now, actually if you were running this in an auditing room you would have let him run this with his hands, and so on.

Now, actually if you were running this in an auditing room you would have let him run this with his hands, and so on.

I was showing you the technique of auditing an overt act, rather than auditing an overt act.

I was showing you the technique of auditing an overt act, rather than auditing an overt act.

If I'd been working this preclear, I would have stopped running this incident immediately that I could see that there was an emotional shut, and I would have gone and found what we call the Boohoo - which will be described later - and gotten this incident, gotten this track loosened up; gotten the emotion loosened up on the track.

If I'd been working this preclear, I would have stopped running this incident immediately that I could see that there was an emotional shut, and I would have gone and found what we call the Boohoo - which will be described later - and gotten this incident, gotten this track loosened up; gotten the emotion loosened up on the track.

Because service facsimile is not registering on the machine, and the Boohoo is registering on the machine. The Boohoo registering a little heavier than these other incidents.

Because service facsimile is not registering on the machine, and the Boohoo is registering on the machine. The Boohoo registering a little heavier than these other incidents.

But here we have only one incident showing, really. Two incidents are showing on this track: women, Mother, getting a registry on the machine. An overt act against this girl was getting registry on the machine as he was walking over it, therefore establishing some actuality to it, although he probably would have changed the details a bit as he kept on running, which you could expect to happen. And we were getting registry on what we call the Boohoo, and we're getting no registry on Fac One, and a very tiny little registry on overt act of Fac One. Now, I didn't ask him for either B.E., or B.T.*B.E. = Before Earth, B.T. = Before Time

But here we have only one incident showing, really. Two incidents are showing on this track: women, Mother, getting a registry on the machine. An overt act against this girl was getting registry on the machine as he was walking over it, therefore establishing some actuality to it, although he probably would have changed the details a bit as he kept on running, which you could expect to happen. And we were getting registry on what we call the Boohoo, and we're getting no registry on Fac One, and a very tiny little registry on overt act of Fac One. Now, I didn't ask him for either B.E., or B.T.*B.E. = Before Earth, B.T. = Before Time

Want to come back here and see if there's a registry on B,E. or B.T. ? Just as a check, just make me a thorough investigation on this?

Want to come back here and see if there's a registry on B,E. or B.T. ? Just as a check, just make me a thorough investigation on this?

Most people get a registry on Service Facsimile One.

Most people get a registry on Service Facsimile One.

LRH: Machine will warm up there in a moment. (pause) Okay. What are you dropping on?

LRH: Machine will warm up there in a moment. (pause) Okay. What are you dropping on?

PC: I was thinking of the Service Fac.

PC: I was thinking of the Service Fac.

LRH: You were thinking of the Service Facsimile One?

LRH: You were thinking of the Service Facsimile One?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What's it all of a sudden loosened up on you?

LRH: What's it all of a sudden loosened up on you?

Commentator: Half-a-point drop.

Commentator: Half-a-point drop.

PC: No. No, I think I considered myself invalidated because I thought I was running it.

PC: No. No, I think I considered myself invalidated because I thought I was running it.

LRH: Oh, is this a drop on considering yourself invalidated?

LRH: Oh, is this a drop on considering yourself invalidated?

PC: I believe so.

PC: I believe so.

LRH: Oh, no. You're not invalidated, you can run Service Facsimile One. It is just a matter of what I would do according to the - you're not invalidated.

LRH: Oh, no. You're not invalidated, you can run Service Facsimile One. It is just a matter of what I would do according to the - you're not invalidated.

PC: Oh.

PC: Oh.

LRH: So scan out that feeling. Now, all I'm doing is giving a demonstration on what the machine registers. And as a matter of fact, how are you doing with Service Facsimile One? Good?

LRH: So scan out that feeling. Now, all I'm doing is giving a demonstration on what the machine registers. And as a matter of fact, how are you doing with Service Facsimile One? Good?

PC: I seem to have no trouble.

PC: I seem to have no trouble.

LRH: No - have no trouble with it. Well, that's fine, fine. Is it latched up in any way on Before Earth?

LRH: No - have no trouble with it. Well, that's fine, fine. Is it latched up in any way on Before Earth?

Commentator: Two-point rise.

Commentator: Two-point rise.

LRH: An incident just before you came here? (pause) Or how about before all time?

LRH: An incident just before you came here? (pause) Or how about before all time?

Commentator: Two-point rise.

Commentator: Two-point rise.

PC: (mumble)

PC: (mumble)

LRH: Well, I'm just looking. Was the reason why you were not registering a Service Facsimile One very heavily because you've already run some emotion off of it?

LRH: Well, I'm just looking. Was the reason why you were not registering a Service Facsimile One very heavily because you've already run some emotion off of it?

Commentator: Two-point drop.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

PC: I think I have run something off of it.

PC: I think I have run something off of it.

LRH: You've run some emotion off of it?

LRH: You've run some emotion off of it?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yes, you have.

LRH: Yes, you have.

Commentator: Needle fluctuating rising.

Commentator: Needle fluctuating rising.

LRH: And you consider that incident in pretty good control, don't you?

LRH: And you consider that incident in pretty good control, don't you?

PC: Yeah. I'm not worried about it.

PC: Yeah. I'm not worried about it.

LRH: So of course you're not getting a reaction on it.

LRH: So of course you're not getting a reaction on it.

Commentator: One-point rise.

Commentator: One-point rise.

LRH: That explains it. So you're not considering yourself invalidated. Okay. Well, your case is in good shape. If it's shut down on any other emotion level, why, take a crack at the Boohoo and run that. But I certainly wouldn't transfer off of Service Facsimile One if you're running it okay. Very good, thank you.

LRH: That explains it. So you're not considering yourself invalidated. Okay. Well, your case is in good shape. If it's shut down on any other emotion level, why, take a crack at the Boohoo and run that. But I certainly wouldn't transfer off of Service Facsimile One if you're running it okay. Very good, thank you.

Some sort of an idea what you're up against, demonstrationally, on that.

Some sort of an idea what you're up against, demonstrationally, on that.

If you'll notice, I call to your attention the fact that you're - every once in a while as I had him running this backwards, I would get a sigh. And actually, that sigh indicates, to some degree, that there's grief lying back of it. When you see a preclear sighing about something, it's normally there's some grief on it.

If you'll notice, I call to your attention the fact that you're - every once in a while as I had him running this backwards, I would get a sigh. And actually, that sigh indicates, to some degree, that there's grief lying back of it. When you see a preclear sighing about something, it's normally there's some grief on it.

I could have run him on this, and run him on this and run him on this, actually just as I was going, and blown loose some grief. But it's highly unlikely to do that before a Large group of people.

I could have run him on this, and run him on this and run him on this, actually just as I was going, and blown loose some grief. But it's highly unlikely to do that before a Large group of people.

Although you will find in a great many preclears the overt act so hot that as you start to scan it backwards and start to run it, it wouldn't matter if they were in Grand Central Station or the Yankee Stadium, they would cry, because a service facsimile is very hot, so on.

Although you will find in a great many preclears the overt act so hot that as you start to scan it backwards and start to run it, it wouldn't matter if they were in Grand Central Station or the Yankee Stadium, they would cry, because a service facsimile is very hot, so on.

Okay. This should give you some idea of auditing. The first session of that was simply Straightwire. And Straightwire is something like playing chuck-a-luck at Las Vegas: you win a very small percentage of the time. You do Straightwire on a preclear, very often - often enough to justify it - a few questions will blow open a large computation in his life, just bang! Blow it open, and he'll do a resurgence up the Tone Scale, quite marked.

Okay. This should give you some idea of auditing. The first session of that was simply Straightwire. And Straightwire is something like playing chuck-a-luck at Las Vegas: you win a very small percentage of the time. You do Straightwire on a preclear, very often - often enough to justify it - a few questions will blow open a large computation in his life, just bang! Blow it open, and he'll do a resurgence up the Tone Scale, quite marked.

So it's always worth testing, But not worth testing for more than a half an hour at a clip. And then I went into what would be a straight overt-act auditing session on him.

So it's always worth testing, But not worth testing for more than a half an hour at a clip. And then I went into what would be a straight overt-act auditing session on him.

And thank you very much.

And thank you very much.